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Topic: Sig Sauer ASP20
Posted By: mercs
Subject: Sig Sauer ASP20
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2022 at 5:53pm
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ASP20 model review and learnings start here. Manufactured in .177 and .22 calibre ASP Advanced Sport Pellet
Have fun. Picatinny rail - excellent option for higher power springers. Pictured here with SportsMatch Mount and Tasco 3-9x40 AO scope  |
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Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2022 at 6:39pm
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Sweet idea. So first question to you mercs what pellet/s have you found are giving you the most accuracy out of your gun. Second question to any one who has shot or shoots one. What hold do you use. How fussy do you find it. Third question to anyone who hunts with 177, how much impact does the 177 impart. I haven't used it enough on game to make a judgment, but are getting the impression it needs to hit pretty much smack on. And doesn't really impart significant energy outwards in penitration. Is that correct? |
Posted By: mercs
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2022 at 9:57pm
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Currently I am using Sig Air Dagger 0.67 grammes 10.03 grains with good results however they need a pellet pusher (ballpoint pen) to go fully into the breech so not ideal out in the field. I will record some results. Earlier trials reveal rifle is not pellet picky but Barracuda was an easy default choice until they become difficult to find earlier in the year.  Previously posted, 20 yards under perfect conditions using RWS pellets to prove rifle and that all future deviations were from me. These are wadcutter pellets and tend to lose accuracy beyond 25 yards. My best ever result for a break barrel.  |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2022 at 10:32pm
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Nice shooting. I'd love to be able to put targets like that up. That's promising for proformance potential. Be keen on seeing some targets bench rested that arnt in ideal conditions. What do you use as a hunting pellet in it the barracuda? Crafties gun rod here had some baracuda in stock, a few days ago when I was in. I can grab some for you if your still finding them hard to get. They seemed good in my rifle but I only had a sample amount to test. May have to revisit them at some stage, I'm at that unenviable stage of going thru pellets to see what groups best. |
Posted By: Myson
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2022 at 9:24am
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I have the Sig ASP20 in .177 and find the best pellet for my particular barrel is AA Heavies (10.3gr). With those, she has a MV of about The only thing I don't like is the trigger because I'm used to the smooth and delightful Weihrauch triggers! Otherwise, she's great! And very good for hunting because she's a Gas-Ram - you don't have to consider Spring strain and can carry the rifle locked and loaded all day!  I shot a rabbit in the head at 61yds last week with the Sig - it just crumpled! ------------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq7jVyBfFqE" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq7jVyBfFqE Air Arms S510 US .22 Air Arms S410 .22 Weihrauch HW97KT .177 Weihrauch HW95 .177 |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2022 at 12:26pm
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I just got the 20m to 30m groups done. These are the best of the targets shot, most 5 shot groups. Anything labeled pulled is a something Ive done and recognised as a bad shot as soon as I pulled trigger and is not included in group size. Groups measured from outside edges of furthest holes. 20m had weighed out exact and hades pellets. Wasn't going to shot AA today.  So with that hades got dropped, moved to 25m. Exact opened up a bit and first group shot was best. Decided to throw AA pellets into mix as ruled hades out.  Pleased with aa as just random out of tin. 30m there's a lot more of me at fault than pellets. Had been shooting for a while and rain was heading in so bit rushed and prob should have stopped.  So will carry on when/if drizzle stops. But at moment leaning towards air arms. It's a pretty good result for unsorted and will have to weigh some out. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2022 at 12:37pm
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Oh and corrected the slope drop, that had targets sitting lower than bench rest. Gun had been sighted at zero at 32m on exacts from some I was given originally. The correction at 30m was 1mildot under the bull. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2022 at 3:08pm
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Got out between showers and shot at 35m. Think I need to stabalise back end of rifle, stop that finer movement a bit.  I suspect the gun is shooting a lot better than I am. |
Posted By: Ralph
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2022 at 3:53pm
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My 2 Sigs, identical twins, both wearing Zero Tech Vengeance 3-12x40 scopes. Both shoot well with 10.34 JSBs. Neither are hold sensitive and I don't think about how I am holding the rifle when out shooting pests. Pic of target is shot at 20m with JSBs, 5 shots, it is the only pic I have of a target shot with the Sig, I usually discard the targets after I have shot them Will be selling 1 of the Sigs as I have just purchased a TX200 MK3   ------------- Sig Sauer ASP20 .177 |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2022 at 6:32pm
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That's an awsome group for sure. I'd be stoked with that! I'm rather impressed with it so far. Still think the biggest issue with grouping is me  Shot a couple of groups at 40m and the exact are grouping well. Would have put most shots into a hares head. The AA is shooting slightly bigger groups but it tends to shoot them in smaller clusters, spread apart but nearly hole in hole in each cluster. I've weighed out 50 of each, to tin weight. Took 65 odd to get 50 exact Took 83 odd to get 50 aa I suspect the AA are throwing off due to varying pellet weight. (something I found in 22) I must admit that since I went to finger tips, I've changed grip again and don't think it was as hold sensitive as I thought. If anyone has been on fence about buying a sig, don't be. Im more than happy I Swapped it for the tx. They both awsome guns, but this suits me better as a hunting gun. |
Posted By: mercs
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2022 at 8:49pm
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Nice stuff Kruza, I picked up a tin of JSB Exact 8.44 grain 4.51mm this evening and run 50 through the barrel. Touch lighter than my normal choice but had consistent vertical control, quite windy so some correction required. i look forward to getting at the targets when weather clears. Hi Ralph I am very interested in how you find the ZeroTech Vengance 3-12x40 and how many pellets they have survived? cheers
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Posted By: Ralph
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2022 at 8:58pm
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Hi Mercs, Zero Tech are airgun rated, lifetime warranty, the guy I purchased the second Sig from broke a Zero Tech Thrive on the Sig, it was replaced without question, it had survived 1500 pellets. On their website there is an article where they test one on a Hatsan I like the Vengeance, I use the elevation turret to dial in my distances. I need a duplex reticule, I'm 70 and my eyes can't cope with mildot reticules. ------------- Sig Sauer ASP20 .177 |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2022 at 10:59am
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70! Friggin awsome. That's inspiration for me. I hope I'm still active shooting when I reach that age. Which is closer than I like. So redid 40m groups this morning with weighed pellets. The group sizes arnt that much differnt but the patterning is. I'm really undecided what to sight in with. I'm leaning towards exact but reality is they would both have same amount of kill shots. The air arms pellet if its like the 22's is going to have a reasonable amount of head size change which may affect it. (done no sizing) Be keen on a few other ppls input on grouping and what they think from looking at these targets. I have a thick skin so any ribbing all good. 
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Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2022 at 11:04am
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Aa bulls 17mm height Exact bulls 12mm height |
Posted By: Ralph
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2022 at 12:30pm
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Both pellets are showing good results. The JSBs show less separation across your groups that the AA so if it was me I would go with the JSBs. Those are great groups at 40yards by the way ------------- Sig Sauer ASP20 .177 |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2022 at 12:58pm
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Thanks. I'm hoping to get 50m inch groups constantly, but haven't got there yet. Hares are wising up and not letting me get as close in open paddock. |
Posted By: Ralph
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2022 at 1:05pm
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Why don't you try baiting the hares, leave out vege scaps bits of fruit over a period of time and draw them into you, might work. ------------- Sig Sauer ASP20 .177 |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2022 at 2:13pm
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Probly work well but I enjoy learning thier movements, stalking them in the fields at night, picking them off around edges during the day. Its a slow constant constant pressure. I've thought about getting the 22lr out but it's honestly just not as enjoyable. To easy really. I've been keeping the arc of the pellets in mildot drop or gain as ive been doing this. The pellets take differnt flight paths. All targets were set to level with a lazer level. Shots were fewer but taken with more care and stopped when two touched each other. Most shots taken at any distance 3. (first 2 touched each other out to 30m then 35m and 40m required a third shot for both brands.)  Sorry cut top of pic. AA field deablo on left, jsb exact heavy on right |
Posted By: mercs
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2022 at 5:22pm
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Hi all rain stopped so managed to get some numbers down on paper. ASP20 Pellet Penetration.
Target Distance 38 yards. Positive measurement is with digital vernier to back of pellet. Negative measurements for proud pellets from back of skirt to board. Warm day, overcast and strong breeze. By the numbers, Sig Dagger and JSB Hades gave the best results and I thought the 8.4 grain JSB Exact did well. H&N were about 30% less effective which I did not expect. Gamo....... Pellet 1, Gamo Platinum 5 grains, -1.81mm (all noise 8th place))
Pellet 2, JSB Exact 8.44 grains, +2.31mm (3rd place)
Pellet 3, Sig Air Dagger 10.03 grains, +3.03mm (1st place)
Pellet 4, JSB Match Hades 10.34 grains, +2.95mm (second place)
Pellet 5, H&N Baracuda Match 10.64 grains, +2.18mm (5th place)
Pellet 6, H&N Hunter Extreme 9.57 grains, +2.0mm (6th place)
Pellet 7, Gamo Rocket destroyer 9.56 grains, +1.21mm (7th place)
Pellet 8, Gamo G-Buffalo 15.4 grains, -1.48mm (8th place)
Target Board firmly mounted and all shots were in front of post to prevent flex. 18mm laminated custom wood
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Posted By: Ralph
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2022 at 5:36pm
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Wow great effort Mark and some surprising results Where do you source the Sig Daggers from? thanks ------------- Sig Sauer ASP20 .177 |
Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2022 at 8:13pm
| That's awesome, good results. Yes where did you get the sig pellets? Can you load a pic of them? |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2022 at 10:09pm
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That 10.?? gr seems to be the sweet spot for accuracy and penitration in general. Sweet idea. Cheers. What are sig skirts like compared to next two best. Those hades hit hard out of 22. Wonder how much theat head shape plays a part? |
Posted By: jwabfrog
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2022 at 8:42am
| I agree with Ralph, can't complain with those groups at 40m! Great shooting. Looks like the JSBs are a better option to me. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2022 at 10:46am
Dinner wasn't a big fan of them, earlier today. 
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Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2022 at 11:00am
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25m sitting. Exact group is more likely to hit the back of brain low, which I'm assuming is pellet variation as well as my shooting I suspect if sort the head size on AA I'm going to punch some holes. Best find out I suppose |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2022 at 3:41pm
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This may be why the sig is grouping better with exact. That should be gram not gr under weight From my experience with .22 16gr AA field deablo, thus is a pretty extreme spread of head size for them. I may get another tin and make sure it wasn't just this batch. But exact are giving me a closer head size in equal weight. 
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Posted By: mercs
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2022 at 5:19pm
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Sig pellets from Magnum Sports Stratford Venom and Dagger available in .177 and .22
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Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2022 at 9:09pm
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So decided 35m be a good test for head size. Only got AA heavy done this evening. But it seems to like one size better. Only one I pulled the shot on. Was coming up to fast and mistimed the pull. Hope fully get exact done same tomorrow and see if it prefures the same head size.  I don't think the sigs have a choke? |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2022 at 9:43am
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Exact heavy. Things to note my shooting wasn't as sharp. I've gone from evening where gun has been at higher temp from day to morning where gun has been at lower temp during night. Over cast and last three shots @4.53mm were done in rain. I have seen a video where there was a impact change shooting thru a sprinkler, though I'm of the option that as it was a fine sunny day the sprinkler was causing a convection air current that you wouldn't get if it was actually raining. 4.50mm target I'm dubious about top left shot as when I fired the cross hairs were at top of bulls on black line. 4.51mm target was a well shot target! 4.53mm only for hell of it as had 8 pellets but not feasible due to pellet amount. Been interesting and helps to explain some of the unsorted pellets groups. So what pellet would you choose? Personally if they make AA in 4.50mm I'd go for them Sorting out 4.50mm and 4.51mm for hunting. But for practically the exact 4.52mm is just as good and an easier size to get. What your verdict? 
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Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2022 at 10:04am
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Back to sig things. My over view so far. Accurate, well made, rugged, comfortable, lot less hold sensitive than I originally thought, well balanced, like the trigger has a clear second stage and crisp. The piston has a sound when cocking that just sounds fing awsome that for some reason I absolutely love. Intial breaking of barrel can take some force but cocking motion easy and smooth. Its a keeper for me and would be interested in a .22 and a one to lock up as a collectable in years to come. I can see why ppl love em. |
Posted By: Ralph
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2022 at 12:04pm
Zeroed the second Sig in yesterday, now have dial in settings for 10,20,30,40 and 50m with Zero being at 30m. This is the 50m target with one extreme flyer. The target is not a group but the progression of getting the pellets somewhere near the bull, last two pellets are in the red. I follow up by shooting at a set of spinners and if I can consistently hit the 1inch spinner then I'm happy. ------------- Sig Sauer ASP20 .177 |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2022 at 12:40pm
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JSB 10.34gr? Let us know what hit rate on spinner is. Looks like you've walked the pellets up nicely, more dead bunnies than missed one's in that group. I've just ordered in 2 tins of sig dagger from magium sports (cheers mercs) so will run through them at some stage Has that tx arrived? I'd be keen on a seeing a review and maybe a few targets from you if you feel like it Jwabfrog be keen on a bit of review from you on your tx as well if your keen. |
Posted By: Ralph
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2022 at 12:44pm
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Yes JSB 10.34. Hit the spinner every time from the rest and 3 out of 5 shooting off hand Put up a separate post on shooting a rabbit with the TX, shoot JSB 10.34 in that as well ------------- Sig Sauer ASP20 .177 |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2022 at 12:50pm
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And sweet shot on the rabbit it was! Awsome guns the tx. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2022 at 10:41am
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Just got sig dagger pellets in. The head size is 4.50mm on tin. Measured 25, between 4.47mm to 4.49mm Explains why air arms shoot better at 4.50mm Makes me wonder if I had the exact pellet holder round the wrong way and the tight group was 4.50mm not 4.52mm. The sig pellets are very uniform. Look well made. Curse the rain. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2022 at 1:35pm
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30m targets sig dagger unsorted. Really surprised the groups came out exact same size! Bottom target was the staple. Shooting average, was bit annoyed as 362 had lock up and switched to sig but mind was on pulling 362 apart. 
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Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2022 at 6:22pm
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Pulled 168 pellets out of sig tin to give them the scales and vernier treatment. Thought get 4.50mm x.67gram tin size for a fair accuracy test. What I got was 113@.46grms 5@.45grm 23@.44grm 27@.44grm Of those I took the .46grm as most common weight. Ran the vernier over them. Head sizes were: 9@ 4.49mm,20@ 4.48mm, 31@ 4.47mm,25@ 4.46mm,28@ 4.45mm If this tin is representative of tins, it would seem sig errs to the lower head size and weight. Also noticed that the heads arnt as round as the exact and AA, there seems to be a common theme of a dent on nose. Very uniform pellets. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2022 at 8:22am
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Has anyone tried the heavier pellets and slugs in the sig 177 In particular the h&n rabbiter slug and the h&n sniper range pellet. The sniper magnum seems to get good reviews recommended for 17fpe and above. Its design got me interested |
Posted By: Myson
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2022 at 8:36am
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Thanks to this excellent topic, I've ordered the following two pellet types for trials in my SIG ASP20 .177: · SIG
Dagger at 10.03gr · JSB
Exact Monster diabolo 13.43 gr I'll let you know how it goes.... ------------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq7jVyBfFqE" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq7jVyBfFqE Air Arms S510 US .22 Air Arms S410 .22 Weihrauch HW97KT .177 Weihrauch HW95 .177 |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2022 at 9:24am
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I'll throw up a target I've shot of sig I just shot shortly. But I'm with you. I'll be buying a few tins of AA heavies, sorting out the 4.50mm @. 67grms for hunting. They have constantly punched holes. |
Posted By: dvlnme
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2022 at 9:55am
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if you mean the h/n rabbit magnum pellets these would be the bullet shaped pellets i presume,these can be finiky things accurracy wise in any caliber,it seems to be something to do with their long bearing surface not being suitable for some barrels designed for pellets causing them to strip lead off in the barrel and lead barrel up,possibly some thing to do with the rifling twist found simaller thing with some cast bullets in firearms,the amount of surface engaging the rifling in slower twist barrels proberly has something to do with this as heavier projectiles with longer bearing surfaces often require a slower rifling twist to stabilize them,never had much luck with the rabbit magnum pellets in 177/22 cal air rifles as faras accuracy went,have built several pcp guns specifically to use these heavy bullet shaped pellets and found they definatly work best in 22cal if using a 22lr rimfire barrel as far as accurracy went,i know they work well in the green mountain barrels made for the crosman custom shop as these barrels are designed to shoot both waisted pellets and bullets very well but have never got these to shoot accuratly in any of my bsa or air arms 177/22cal pcp rifles and the few powerful springer i tryed them in, cheers mike
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Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2022 at 10:25am
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Here is the final group testing. (bottom right hand group 4.45mm) I've found it interesting how some of the head sizes spread. I've also found that explains some of unsorted groups patterning. (Ive done more testing than what I've put up) Any sh*t I've recognised as me being off (some of these like the 2 high AA have hit where they were aimed) All sig pellets had to be seated and were with pencil to 6mm as they stood proud. This is the only pellets I had to seat. It is also totally impractal for me hunting and would have ruled out sig unless they shot way better than others. Exact will be worth having a back up tin of. They group well and have a good spread pattern. AA heavies sorted, by far have left the most groups with pellets punching into the same hole, though unsorted their groups haven't been as good a hunting pattern as exact. ( but I sort my hunting pellets) Any sig shooters who haven't tried sig dagger or hades 177 I have a unsorted tin of each which I'm happy to split into 2 or 3 amounts and send to ppl for trial in your gun. As per this is from my rifle and may be differnt from how yours shoots. As soon as I sort the 362 out, I'm going to have tins or part tins of .22 pellets I've tested free to good homes. I'm over having heaps of pellets I don't use.  As a foot note, when sorting the pellets the ones that don't make the grade arnt thrown away. They are kept in separate sorted tins and those that group well but have a slightly differnt impact Point, are used when I have a tin full and I adjust the scope for that tin. Those sizes and weights that don't group well are plinkers, and used to relead barrel after cleaning, first few shots to redistribute oils and grease if gun has been sitting or is cold. Also after it's been sitting in car on hot day, before hunting. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2022 at 10:43am
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Cheers Mike. I'm happy to skip them now. Was bit dodgy about it. Now I'm happy I didn't head down that road. Ive spent enough on ammo that doesn't work! Appresiate the feed back. If you want sig pellets to try before buying I'll send you some. F. Y. I I wasn't using monster exact. Exact heavy, much lighter. 
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Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2022 at 3:46pm
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Final target from me on pellets. Have very few 5.50mm AA left saved for hunting. Using the not as accurate 4.51mm sorted, just playing. Took 3 shots to range and windage. Three attempts at bulls. Then stopped cause was happy with that and knew I'd pull a shot at some stage and spoil it. 😁 Depending on which way hare was facing 3 kills or two kills and a serious wound. Hopefully tighten up with 4.50mm 
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Posted By: Ralph
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2022 at 8:45am
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I have tried the JSB Monster Exact Diablo 13.43 gr in one of my Sigs. Average of a 10 shot string over the chronograph was 737.16fps giving 16.2 fpe Got tight groups at 20 and 30m, the drop off at 40 and 50m compared to the 10.34 JSB's meant they weren't worth continuing with as a hunting pellet ------------- Sig Sauer ASP20 .177 |
Posted By: mercs
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2022 at 3:14pm
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Hi all, my .177 Sig is now set up like Ralphs with Zero Tech Vengeance 3-12x40SF scope found under the Christmas tree. I will review scope separately. Strong variable breeze from right to left so shortened up range from 38 to 33 yards to try and get some shelter. Last pellets of the day were H&N Power (copper plated) which surprisingly seemed to group better in the wind. I will do more trials with these. cheers
 Started with known pellet JSB Exact 8.44 grains 4.51mm for a 20 yard accuracy check no wind, rifle and scope working well.  H&N Baracuda Match 10.65 33 yards sighting in, wind gusts from right. No surprise heavier pellet went low and left. Adjusted 5-10 clicks at a time moving around the bull then 2-3 clicks each way trying to get a feel for it. Reasonable turrets and look forward to some repeatable and usable distance numbers.  H&N Barracuda Power 10.65grains (copper coated) no adjustments made, 33 yards POA was bull, steady breeze from right.  |
Posted By: Myson
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2022 at 7:18am
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Nice Mercs! I'm in the middle of testing my SIG .177 too and I'm happy to say I've just found the best pellet (I think - more tests to go though) for my barrel. It was the AA Heavies but now I've found better! It's now the H&N Baracuda Match .177 (10.65gr) with 4.50 headsize. The 4.51's and 4.52's were no good but the 4.50's produced lovely groups at 50yds. I'll post target pictures when I confirm this - I'm just waiting for another tin of H&N's to arrive so I can test again on a less windy day.... I'm a happy chappie.... this topic inspired me to re-test my SIG and I'm glad I did! I think my 50yds groups will now end up about 30-35mm. We'll see.... Fingers crossed! ------------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq7jVyBfFqE" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq7jVyBfFqE Air Arms S510 US .22 Air Arms S410 .22 Weihrauch HW97KT .177 Weihrauch HW95 .177 |
Posted By: mercs
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2022 at 8:46pm
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Checked tin and using same size and I can load these without mechanical assistance.  30 metre range this morning, 10 shots under pleasant conditions. Zero Tech on 12 power, rifle on bipod.  |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2022 at 8:54pm
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How big is the blue circle? You got to be happy with that, that's a nice center hole. Whats the bi pod? I've got a gamo one but are a bit wary, it never helped the gamo. That target tells a differnt story about them. 👍 |
Posted By: mercs
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2022 at 10:22pm
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Blue ring is 40mm so same as aperture in standard field dropdown targets. I will have to sharpen up for 50 metre range at the club. Bipods - No regrets but I would not fit them to another break barrel, prefer to spend money on quality rest or bags. In this case I am shooting against PCP owners and ready to try anything. Less to carry so they can improve setup time for almost anything else being shot from a bench or other flat surface.  I use Gamo bipods, I feel they are a touch wide but stable enough. Fitting the rails was tricky as no room for nuts on inside so only threaded into the stock and screw length had to be exact. Obviously they make cocking a little more difficult but I have that sussed.   Stoeger pictured below, these looked interesting but I could not source, Airgun Detective site has incorporated some good ideas into his own shop version which he had installed during ASP20 video review.  |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2022 at 9:46am
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I found on the gamo the bipod was actually really good for standing shots. It gave a much better grip when legs were folded back. Never any good of my table.(but that was pre barrel change) Think gun was to light and piston hit to hard. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2022 at 10:58am
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Is it just me, or do you others find that the sig is prone to surface rusting. I'm finding that if I don't oil the barrel nearly every time I use it the surface rust appears. Also had some show up under barrel seal. I'm hoping that eventually it will stop with oiling. |
Posted By: mercs
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2022 at 1:30pm
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Corrosion is very disappointing, barrel has a "nitron" coating and if done properly should be very durable. I will keep an eye out for any deterioration and clean then oil more regularly. Must admit mine have never been out in the rain and after spotlighting I wipe down with Ballistol to get rid of any dust or moisture. ex airgun depot website "The metal surfaces of the gun are ferritic nitrocarburized, which isn't a coating that can wear off; instead, it is a sort of case-hardening process which toughens the metal and makes it resistant to scuffs and oxidation". |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2022 at 2:18pm
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It seems that it should stop corrosion. both times its happened it basically wiped off. But I've caught it rather fast. Have just read up on it ( cheers for pointing me in direction mercs) Now wondering what metal they use for the barrel! I am guilty of getting back from night shoots and have to skin stuff, so just put the gun away. Better start wiping it down first. The crossman barrels/recievers were the same but a few oils seemed to stop it. |
Posted By: mercs
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2022 at 9:39pm
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50 metre Sig on Sig this evening. The .22 by far the best group but .177 scored 1 point higher.
I had previously set up the .177 then grabbed the .22 from the gun safe before packing up for the day, go figure. Gamo card target has 13mm bull and 130mm outer ring. Analysis using Target Scan App Calculation set for .177 50 metre with .177 Sig ASP20 Sig Air Dagger pellets 0.67 gramme Scope Zero Tech 3-12x40SF set to max 12 Rested on bipod Max spread 31.4mm Mean radius 16mm  50 metre with .22 Sig ASP20 RWS Superfield pellets 1.03 gramme Scope Tasco 4-9x40AO set to max 9 Rested on bag Max spread 14.4mm Mean radius 6.6mm  |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2022 at 10:23pm
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Well the 177 definitely is just a hunting group though quite a wide spread. ( Though way better than a couple of 60m groups I shot today) The 22 is great grouping bit of hold over to the right and that group would have smashed a 1nch kill zone. I wasn't happy with the sig pellets in my particular gun. Have a tin and half of 177 if you want them. Though the 1/2 tin was ransacked for 5.50mm. Were you getting tighter groups with the barracuda? All said and done for 50m I think it's good grouping. Apart from the tx, don't think any of the other guns I have/had would pull groups like that at 50m. |
Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 30 Dec 2022 at 8:47am
| Those are good groups for a springer at that range. |
Posted By: mercs
Date Posted: 30 Dec 2022 at 10:09am
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The Sig .177 performs well on the indoor 25 yard range and has earned a couple of wins. Baracuda Match is a very firm fit but I agree with Myson they definitely provide an improved group and it has to be the 4.50 which I only had a few on hand, I will get a new tin and compare against some of the lighter pellets. Expect I need to choose a pellet, clean the barrel and start again. This rifle seems to have a tight breech but still under warranty so I have not eased it out, many pellets need mechanical assistance to load. cheers These pellets will load by finger pressure H& N Sniper medium .55g 4.50mm JSB Match Hades .67g Baracuda match .69g 4.50mm Sig Air venom .51g Webley VMX 0.53g JSB Exact 0.547g RWS Super Field 0.54g
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Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 30 Dec 2022 at 10:23am
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https://hardairmagazine.com/reviews/hn-baracuda-match-10-65-grain-177-caliber-pellet-test-review/ For anyone interested |
Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 30 Dec 2022 at 10:31am
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I used to use H&N FTT in my 97k, but there was a definite change in the lead, and they became quite difficult to load, needing a real hard push to seat. I ended up changing to JSB/AA (177). I later read an article about how the H&N are made from harder lead, so if you are swapping back and forth from them, you need to clean the barrel, as the harder lead can cause softer leaded pellets to loose accuracy, and they proved this was the case with a TX. Other guns may be different, but it's worth knowing.
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Posted By: Myson
Date Posted: 30 Dec 2022 at 10:52am
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Nice groups Mercs!!! Well done! If I can get my SIG .177 like your's at 50yds (Max spread 31.4mm) I'll be stoked! And the fact you used bipods on a Springer amazes me! I've always found the artillery hold (and your hand between the rifle and any rest) best - so, your use of bipods is most interesting. Have you tried grouping without the bipods on your .177? I'd be interested to see the comparison because your .22 groups (at 50m) without bipods is staggeringly good! Max spread 14.4mm at 50 metres with your .22 is incredible!!!! Mega-Well done mercs!!! I need to take lessons from you!!!  ------------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq7jVyBfFqE" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq7jVyBfFqE Air Arms S510 US .22 Air Arms S410 .22 Weihrauch HW97KT .177 Weihrauch HW95 .177 |
Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 30 Dec 2022 at 7:05pm
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Im not going to post a photo of my .25 hatsan groups from Tuesday....! Used to get 1 - 1.5 inch groups at 40m before the rebuild and now its doing 8" groups with a new scope!! I put a old scope on and made a little difference, so wondering if its two dead scopes...! ran out of JSB exacts for it so tested every other variety with not much better results so its left me a bit bazzeled and pissed off. will try another scope before i take the thing apart
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Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 30 Dec 2022 at 7:10pm
| Got open sights? Quickest way to check a scope. |
Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 30 Dec 2022 at 7:31pm
| nope, i ditched those and cant find them |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 31 Dec 2022 at 8:04am
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Hey mercs just went back to look at your volicities, you are shooting right in the transonic range with your 177. That volicity is the most unstable for pellets. Two of the pellets you mention are smack in worse zone. It could explain the wider spread for the 177. |
Posted By: mercs
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2023 at 3:56pm
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Wind disappeared for a few hours so back out with .177 on 50 metre range for some fun. Scope Tasco 3-9x40AO set at x9 Bench rest with rifle on bag instead of bipod. H&N pellets I note the Baracuda variation is vertical but Hunter Extreme variation was horizontal. First shots of the group are tight then deviate so most likely something I am doing. Next time out the first 2 rabbits within 50 metres are in trouble. H&N Baracuda 0.69g OD 37.3mm Well worth working with.  H&N Hunter Extreme 0.62g OD 37.8mm Low penetration and or pellets fell out.  |
Posted By: Myson
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2023 at 7:10am
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Nice one Mercs! Those groups are superb at 50m!  I'm still waiting for less wind to continue my testing but I'm hoping my groups turn out like this! ------------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq7jVyBfFqE" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq7jVyBfFqE Air Arms S510 US .22 Air Arms S410 .22 Weihrauch HW97KT .177 Weihrauch HW95 .177 |
Posted By: jwabfrog
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2023 at 11:10am
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Insane 50m groups, well done mercs! |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2023 at 3:02pm
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So just ran sig over chrono with pellets for hunting hi 905fps lo 897fps Ave 897 fps If like to drop that around 850fps, what would be best way to do that with out increasing pellet size. |
Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2023 at 4:33pm
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Those are great groups for 50m. Not sure on dropping the fps without using slightly heavier pellets. Others may have some ideas. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2023 at 3:31pm
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That's sweet. Gonna resight sig for 28m (if the wind ever stops) Turns out (according to gun chair) With my weight pellet .67gm and volicity 897fps, it will give me a lot better hold over readings on mildots. .5=37m,1=44m,1.5=50m,2=55m, 2.5=60m,3=65m, 3.5=69m,4=73m,4.5=77m,5=81m Which is awsome for the 50m to 65m range, which is where I need to be for hunting hare here. With 20m and 25m just above the windage line. Lot easier to rember than last sighted zero. |
Posted By: Myson
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2023 at 8:15am
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Hi Kruza, I too use holdover/holdunder with mildots at a chosen scope magnification (x16). I build my Ballistic Charts from 10yds-100yds, at 5yds intervals - eg: 10yds, 15yds, 20yds, etc... I do all of this manually by moving the targets to the desired range, shooting my groups and then checking through my scope to determine how many mildots above/below I need to holdover/holdunder from zero, at each chosen range. I'm mentioning this because I believe everyone's scope differs and if you use only Chairgun (or similar) to setup your Ballistics Chart, it won't take into account the specific optics of your specific scope at each range. Does that make sense? Not only that but it's also fun discovering your particular gun by walking up and down the range, moving targets 5yds at a time and using your own scope to determine the amount of mildots you'll need to holdover/holdover at each and every range. It's time consuming but it does give results relevant to your particular gear, rather than relying on generic electronic calculators like Chairgun, etc... And it's interesting what you find if you do it manually - for example, on my particular scope on my S410 PCP, there's a point (135yds) where the holdover is the same as at 130yds! The holdover (9 mildots) should of course have increased from 130yds to 135yds - but it doesn't! It's just the optics of my particular scope that, after focusing at 135yds, I have to use the same number of mildots holdover as at 130yds!! Odd but true! And I would not have discovered this if I'd just used Chairgun alone.... Hope this all makes sense? ------------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq7jVyBfFqE" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq7jVyBfFqE Air Arms S510 US .22 Air Arms S410 .22 Weihrauch HW97KT .177 Weihrauch HW95 .177 |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2023 at 8:32am
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Totally. I think further back up I have the two differnt flight paths in mildots between AA and exact done as you do. However gunchair with info in it will put me right in the ball park, and as with all things fine tuning will be done manually. Its the same with mildot ranging, have distances by mildots from calculations but at end of day, stapling a hares head to a post (eeeeewww) and setting it at distances allowed me to measure and record how I see it through the scope. I agree with totally, but gunchair has given me the range to work in and I can retune the data from there. I also found that acurate scope height for gun chair is a vital bit of info that improved its prediction when I used the vernier to measure it, once I'm Sighted in I'll throw the chrono up by the targets and work out the true ballistic coefficient for the pellets, which will further fine tune the app. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2023 at 8:55am
| Page two of this thread. AA df heavy, exact heavy both weighed and weasured to same specs. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2023 at 9:24am
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If any of you guys/gals are keen to take your favorite pellet/s for the sig and do a bit of real life drop measuring, post it, it would be rather interesting to see the flight chararistics of them, then compare them to others results and see if there's definite flight paths veriations that ring true for a certain pellet. Thinking AA, exact, barracuda be good starting point as seems to be the most recommended by users here. Prob need the zero for your distance you are set at too. If you could provide volicity that be a bonus. Once this weather stops! |
Posted By: mercs
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2023 at 12:08pm
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This could get interesting, and looks like fun, subject gets techo real quick. Pest control: I learn scope and rifle at 25yard and 35 yard and everything else is a quick holdover thought rather than a reference. I have X-ACT app from Hawke, came with a Vantage scope but is a free download. Never used it much as the scope failed x3 on my springers so I took a refund. (nice scopes no complaints) I will check out gun chair but in the meantime have run a comparisons with some range observations. Yesterday I had drop downs setup from 35 - 55 yards. 1.575 inch target zone (40mm) session 1 .22 Sig zeroed at 55 yards from previous trials. 55 yard target dropped 50 yard target dropped 45 yard target missed 40 yard target missed 35 yard target missed session 2 .22 Sig zeroed at 35 yards. 35 yard target dropped (POA bottom of target zone) 40 yard target dropped 45 yar target dropped 50 yard target dropped 55 yard target dropped (POA top of target zone) Double target zones gives a difference of 3.15 inch POA from first to last shot. I think there was some good validation between physical and calculated numbers. X-ACT calculation graph shows a pellet drop from 40 to 55 yards of just under 3 inches. Details Pellet RWS Super Field 15.9 grains 1.03 grammes Performance 780 fps 21.49 ft/lbs measured this morning Scope Zero Tech 3-12x40 set at x12. No default setting in the X-ACT app but Hawke Vantage was similar. I tried a few scope models and there was about 1/2 inch variation. Yes agree, the scope height is very sensitive so I measured to 2 decimal places. 1.85 inches
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Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2023 at 1:13pm
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Yep I ended up at 3.94cm (1.55 inch) for scope height. With that said, I had to measure from bore center to top of barrel, then as the barrel is a tad higher than the piston cylinder, measure how much higher that was and subtract it from the first measurement. After that measure from top of piston cylinder (receiver?) to center of scope. Very nearly just put 4cm in data but every mil affects the out come. Hawk don't do updates for chairgun any more so be aware of that. You cant update pellet database and stuff online and if its not in the list will have to put it in manually. Not a biggie. I'm not recommending it either, it just happens to be what I am using as it was designed for air guns. In order to keep it all on a level footing, what about we do 15m out to 50m at 5m intervals. Aiming at bulls and recording the mildot drop and/or cm/inch drop. I'm using meters as most scopes will be mildot and not moa (although for some weird reason my hawk airmax is mildot on retical and moa for adjustment. There is a a way of setting up to correct that if anyone is interested I'll find the video and post it) 15m/16.4yd 20m/21.87yd 25m/27.34yd 30m/32.81yd 35m/38.28yd 40m/43.74yd 45m/49.21yd 50m/54.68yd |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2023 at 11:04pm
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Re sighted sig to 28m. Put 1.5inch spinner targets at random distance out to 46m (fence ended there) Used retical info I've spent last three days mesmerising from gunchair for hold over. Hit every time. Hope as accurate over 46m. After sighted in with 4.50mm tried 4.49mm and they were just as accurate. |
Posted By: Ralph
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2023 at 8:06am
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Just a bit of useless information. The stock on the Sig Asp20 was patterned after the SIG Sauer SSG 3000 sniper rifle ------------- Sig Sauer ASP20 .177 |
Posted By: mercs
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2023 at 8:12pm
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Clear warm day with a pleasant breeze. Measured pellet drop did not always match the calculated values. General trend was there but 20mm difference at 50 metres. I had a fixed target and moved shooting position on not so flat land so not the best technique. I expect if all the required details are known and entered the calculator would be spot on. The required measured 80mm holdover has merit with experience at local 50 metre rifle range. The measured and calculated 40 metre result is also backed up by field experience off the fenceposts. 20 to 35 metres just shoot without thinking about correction. When close at 15 metre I would normally go 20mm high so much closer to calculated value and shooting up into a tree would need all of that and some. I was liking the groups from the JSB Jumbo Express pellets so will do some more work with them and see if I can get some numbers to line up using the turret MOA adjustment as I am becoming confident with my new scope.  
Distance meter Leupold RX1300i Chronometer XCORTECH X3200 Calculator X-ACT
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Posted By: Myson
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2023 at 7:13am
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Excellent tests mercs! I'm waiting for my pellet headsize checker to arrive from UK before I continue testing the SIG because I'm convinced my SIG is very headsize fussy? I want to try each headsize from a new tin of H&N's Baracuda Match 4.50 (4.46mm - 4.53mm) to see if there's one headsize that consistently gives tightest groups. My gut feel is that those headsizes below 4.50mm will be better than those above...? We'll see.... ------------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq7jVyBfFqE" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq7jVyBfFqE Air Arms S510 US .22 Air Arms S410 .22 Weihrauch HW97KT .177 Weihrauch HW95 .177 |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2023 at 10:05am
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I'd put money on 4.53mm not shooting well at all. 4.52mm being tad erratic. I found the 4.50mm and 4.49mm grouping best and holding target in AA. I'd be keen to see your results. There seems to be a lot of mention of baracuda, and I be interested in results. Great review mercs, I'll try get one up on AA and exact just getting ready to shift at moment so not as much time as id Like. Still got enough room for shooting targets where I'm off too. |
Posted By: Myson
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2023 at 11:28am
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Thanks Kruza. Interesting.... we'll see what headsize is best for my barrel. The reason I'm thinking one headsize will be best is that I'm getting fliers in some of my current groups with the "4.50" tin and I reckon those fliers are most probably due to unsuitable headsizes in the tin? I've weighed the pellets into three weight groups (Lite, Medium and Heavy) and I get fliers in all three weight groups so it's probably not a difference of weight - more like a difference in headsize that's causing the odd flier or two. The good thing is that if I ignore the fliers, the groups are great with H&N Baracuda Match 4.50's. If I can find the right headsize (that does not produce fliers), I think I'm looking at 30mm 7-shot groups at 50yds consistently. Sweet! Can't wait for my pellet headsize checker to arrive! ------------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq7jVyBfFqE" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq7jVyBfFqE Air Arms S510 US .22 Air Arms S410 .22 Weihrauch HW97KT .177 Weihrauch HW95 .177 |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2023 at 11:49am
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Weight will play part. There is a relationship between the extreme weight ranges and head size. I've found. Flyers should cut right down. It also gives you time to check for head and skirt damage. Skirt damage can be a big thing in some tins. Actual roundness of the head is interesting too. I found a few pellets that measured differnt on one side to the other. The worst was 4.50mm one side and 4.46mm on the other. I imagine that would affect flight chararistics as well. Skirt damage is a biggie with me I'm pretty hard on my judgement of it, it takes very little to lift the skirt to high for effective seal. |
Posted By: mercs
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2023 at 8:57pm
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30 metres warm calm Taranaki evening. Previously zeroed to this distance. I had been pleased with JSB's so thought I would put them up against a pellet I use regularly. By the numbers the JSB has an edge. I think that I have reached my technical limit with this particular rifle. The Sig has a good kick so not sure if I can manage it any better.
20mm O.D. Sig ASP20 .22 JSB Match Diablo Jumbo Express 0.93 grammes 14.35 grains 5.52mm  21mm O.D. Sig ASP20 .22 RWS Super Field 1.03 grammes 15.9 grains 5.51mm  |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2023 at 9:14pm
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Poppy cock! If your at your technical limit, then it's time to start fine tuning. ( Though from a hunting aspect, those are both killer groups.) A spring change to something that will lessens the kick and by default fpe. Maybe a small tweek in your hold? Its really so close hole on hole it would be a shame not to find a way tighten it. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2023 at 6:12pm
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So here's the sig after 3 days in its padded hardcase not being used. Doesn't say much for the anti corrosion on this particular gun. Oh well off hunting, it's been cleaned and reoiled 
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Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2023 at 7:41pm
| Are you serious...!! Wowzers looks like it's had a bath in sea water before being stored...! |
Posted By: mercs
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2023 at 9:28pm
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Thanks for that, takes the term "patina" a bit far, damn I wonder if there has been a chemical reaction involved. Amazed it comes through after being oiled, that will need taking back to clean steel and and a full treatment or painting. Rushed to gun safe to check and mine do not have that dreadful disease. Will consider quarantine as a precaution.
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Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2023 at 10:35pm
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Gad think we had enough of quarantines. It could well be the sweat from hands, but that was wiped and oiled before going away. The 1322 which sits in the same place, except with just a towel wrapped around it is sweet as. That thing use to surface rust like mad till it had been oiled a dozen plus times. I've got a packet of moisture absorbing crystals in the sig hard case too. Guess I'll just keep oiling it Hooe it stops. Maybe I should write to sig, might be able to get a new barrel in .22. I wish. |
Posted By: Myson
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2023 at 7:44am
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Wow Kruza! That's bizarre - I've never seen such rust before! And it was oiled before putting away?! My SIG is just stored standing up in a locked cupboard - never any sign of rust. What caused this do you think? ------------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq7jVyBfFqE" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq7jVyBfFqE Air Arms S510 US .22 Air Arms S410 .22 Weihrauch HW97KT .177 Weihrauch HW95 .177 |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2023 at 8:09am
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Quite possibly the sweat from hands has reacted with the finish. I can be a bit of an acid old man lol. The finish is faulty. It's forming over the finish not through it. It starts where I break the barrel, but I noticed it on the metal rings around the barrel screws, had it this time. ( 3 days is the longest it's been unused) Its got me a bit stumped. If it was a moisture thing, I'd be expecting the 2 crosman to react as well, they all live in the same place. Which brings me back to a sweat reaction as the crosman are both pump up, no real barrel contact with hands. Not a issue had with tx200 in same case in same place. I'm open to suggestions at this stage. Probly have to do more research into the coating. I only have vague understanding of how it works from when I looked it up last time. |
Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2023 at 8:27am
| Wow! That happened quick. Must be all the moisture in the air. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2023 at 8:39am
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Shouldn't do that on treated barrel. I was thinking the same, but the 1322 and 362 which start surface rust at drop of hat arnt doing it. I'm inland so not salt air. I didn't oil last night after I came back from mildly distracting hares from eating last night. ( a shocking night for just missed head shots, good night for hares) But it was oiled twice before I went out, so I'll be interested to see if it reacts. Wonder if the rem oil has reacted with the coating |
Posted By: Ralph
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2023 at 8:54am
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I had the same thing happen with one of my Sigs, forgot to clean it and oil it after a visit to the rabbits. Found mild rusting on the barrel 2 or 3 days later. Cleaned it and oiled it straight away. Ever since I have always oiled it after use and no further problems ------------- Sig Sauer ASP20 .177 |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2023 at 9:00am
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There's no sign of rust on it today. Though I have been guilty of getting back from a shoot and not oiling it, this was cleaned and oiled prior to it going away. Glad to know I'm not the only one who's had the issue. I'll probly just oil everyday for the next few days and see if it helps. Need to research the coating more. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2023 at 10:01am
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OK so the coating is a low temp harding technique . It adds durability to the metal and scratch resistance. The anti corrosion that you read about is a side effect of the process. Though seems to be a point of topic when discussing it with guns, it's actually not a point a lot of companies who do the coating emphasis to any degree. It's a minor point and does nothing but add a slight rust resistance. So I'm now thinking that I have been overestimating the amount of corrosive protection. The oil on barrel is just coming off thru cocking into my hunting Fingerless gloves. Thus stripping it of its oil protection. When it goes into the hard case the foam is absorbing light reapplied oil off from the barrel leaving it open to air exposure. All hypothetical but is the closest I've managed to form to a reason. Will find out over next week. |
Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2023 at 2:30pm
| Yep, I reckon the foam in cases takes the oil away. |
Posted By: Myson
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2023 at 2:46pm
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Interesting Kruza. I use a glove on my left hand to hold the stock when shooting and to cock the rifle. I only wipe over the rifle about once every 6 months with a light gun oil or INOX. I keep it vertical in my cupboard. And I've never seen a hint of rust, ever! If you try keeping your SIG vertical in a cupboard (like I do) - no cover, just open to the dry air inside a cupboard - then, if it still rusts, I'd say you have a coating problem that may be fixed under warranty? For cleaning inside the barrel I use Napier Power Oil but outside the rifle I use any ol'gun oil that I have handy. Never had any problems at all. Try the cupboard, vertical test for a week and see what happens.... ------------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq7jVyBfFqE" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq7jVyBfFqE Air Arms S510 US .22 Air Arms S410 .22 Weihrauch HW97KT .177 Weihrauch HW95 .177 |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2023 at 1:53am
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Well as it so happens work called, the peas started ( been driving most of night) which means 3 things 1: I'll be heading closer to town to a place with a gun safe, so I definitely will try them standing up in that. 2: my months of hunting when I please on an air gunners paradise is about to end for a while. 3: roll on weihrauch, 1322 upgrades, new scopes, big stash of ammo the guns like. It could just be case. (if the problem is oil coming off.) doesn't seem oily. Hopefully it is something I can fix by adjusting what I'm doing. Time will tell. |